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		<title>Comment on Citizens&#8217; views on Govt 2.0 by Sam O'Leary</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2008/07/06/citizens-views-on-govt-20/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if you're targeting 'inbetweenies', then you should be able to take substantial stock from the 'inbetweenies' comments and responses..  

I agree that the initiative is rather ill concieved. Surely these multinationals garner more &lt;i&gt;sales&lt;/i&gt; from these giveaways, but i doubt you'll find a bunch of kids discussing the virtues of a corporations product on their forums, as a result. I mean, they dont really want a community do they? they just want you to buy more stuff.. 

These things however, do need to be fostered. Its a learning process after all. 

Its great to see a site such as this, here in NZ. This Canadian report is making for some damn good reading. 

Sam O'Leary
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if you&#8217;re targeting &#8216;inbetweenies&#8217;, then you should be able to take substantial stock from the &#8216;inbetweenies&#8217; comments and responses..  </p>
<p>I agree that the initiative is rather ill concieved. Surely these multinationals garner more <i>sales</i> from these giveaways, but i doubt you&#8217;ll find a bunch of kids discussing the virtues of a corporations product on their forums, as a result. I mean, they dont really want a community do they? they just want you to buy more stuff.. </p>
<p>These things however, do need to be fostered. Its a learning process after all. </p>
<p>Its great to see a site such as this, here in NZ. This Canadian report is making for some damn good reading. </p>
<p>Sam O&#8217;Leary</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens&#8217; views on Govt 2.0 by How to Promote Knowledge-Sharing &#171; Working Notes 2.0</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2008/07/06/citizens-views-on-govt-20/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Promote Knowledge-Sharing &#171; Working Notes 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] too? (I hesitate to mention ROI, but someone is bound to ask) The Canadian focus group research (helpful commentary from Jason Ryan), and the EC Joint Research Centre report on &#8216;Web 2.0 in Government: Why and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] too? (I hesitate to mention ROI, but someone is bound to ask) The Canadian focus group research (helpful commentary from Jason Ryan), and the EC Joint Research Centre report on &#8216;Web 2.0 in Government: Why and [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens&#8217; views on Govt 2.0 by Terrence Wood</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2008/07/06/citizens-views-on-govt-20/#comment-525</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrence Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The site is richer that the comment thread alone: I see engagement in the polls, user submitted artwork, stories / essays, and photos from real life events.

Whether the bebo site is / has been "successful" or not is beside the point (and it begs the question: successful by which metric? comment quality from inbetweenies?) -  it's a first (afaik) and it's better to try and fail quickly than not try at all. I am more interested in learning from the exercise, than dismissing it this early as ill-conceived.

It's not a fact that the "strategy" mimics the competition - it's conjecture from us both. I suspect that the agency responsible is well aware that it is not resourced in a way to compete with multinational for marketshare on an ongoing basis. However, it is a fact that enticements and freebies work for creating traction and "mind share" (otherwise multinationals wouldn't do it). It is a fact that a bebo site and a few free bags and tees is way, way cheaper than a traditional media campaign. And it is a fact that neither of us really know what the strategy is.

It's important to remember this is just one channel for one initiative in a larger programme of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site is richer that the comment thread alone: I see engagement in the polls, user submitted artwork, stories / essays, and photos from real life events.</p>
<p>Whether the bebo site is / has been &#8220;successful&#8221; or not is beside the point (and it begs the question: successful by which metric? comment quality from inbetweenies?) -  it&#8217;s a first (afaik) and it&#8217;s better to try and fail quickly than not try at all. I am more interested in learning from the exercise, than dismissing it this early as ill-conceived.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a fact that the &#8220;strategy&#8221; mimics the competition - it&#8217;s conjecture from us both. I suspect that the agency responsible is well aware that it is not resourced in a way to compete with multinational for marketshare on an ongoing basis. However, it is a fact that enticements and freebies work for creating traction and &#8220;mind share&#8221; (otherwise multinationals wouldn&#8217;t do it). It is a fact that a bebo site and a few free bags and tees is way, way cheaper than a traditional media campaign. And it is a fact that neither of us really know what the strategy is.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to remember this is just one channel for one initiative in a larger programme of work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens&#8217; views on Govt 2.0 by Jason Ryan</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2008/07/06/citizens-views-on-govt-20/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The fact that the "strategy" mimics the approach of the competition is a poor justification on two counts: one, the Ministry cannot hope to compete in terms of resources and two, a social network is a poor choice for that sort of strategy anyway...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You have only to read the comments on the page to determine the (lack of) engagement. All of them are a variant of, "Thanks for the schwag." Given that the aim of the site is:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is the place for you guys to share your ideas on how to stay on top of school - in an environment that suits you!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it is safe to say that the ready supply of bags and t-shirts, however well recieved, is not fuelling that outcome.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that the &#8220;strategy&#8221; mimics the approach of the competition is a poor justification on two counts: one, the Ministry cannot hope to compete in terms of resources and two, a social network is a poor choice for that sort of strategy anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>You have only to read the comments on the page to determine the (lack of) engagement. All of them are a variant of, &#8220;Thanks for the schwag.&#8221; Given that the aim of the site is:</p>
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<p>This is the place for you guys to share your ideas on how to stay on top of school - in an environment that suits you!</p>
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<p>I think it is safe to say that the ready supply of bags and t-shirts, however well recieved, is not fuelling that outcome.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens&#8217; views on Govt 2.0 by Terrence Wood</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2008/07/06/citizens-views-on-govt-20/#comment-523</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrence Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“give them free stuff” is the m.o of multinationals in the fast moving consumer goods sector (food, supermarkets etc) and unless we regulate this type of promotion I think it is reasonable to use similar tactics in an effort to promote healthy eating to our youth.

fuelled4schools is part of "mission on" a package containing ten key initiatives aimed at improving nutrition and reversing the declining levels of physical activity among young Kiwis. http://is.gd/10D5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“give them free stuff” is the m.o of multinationals in the fast moving consumer goods sector (food, supermarkets etc) and unless we regulate this type of promotion I think it is reasonable to use similar tactics in an effort to promote healthy eating to our youth.</p>
<p>fuelled4schools is part of &#8220;mission on&#8221; a package containing ten key initiatives aimed at improving nutrition and reversing the declining levels of physical activity among young Kiwis. <a href="http://is.gd/10D5" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/10D5</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens&#8217; views on Govt 2.0 by Jason Ryan</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2008/07/06/citizens-views-on-govt-20/#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Terrence. I agree that we should engage with our audiences wherever they choose to congregate. I just don't think "give them free stuff" amounts to much of a strategy for engagement...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Terrence. I agree that we should engage with our audiences wherever they choose to congregate. I just don&#8217;t think &#8220;give them free stuff&#8221; amounts to much of a strategy for engagement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens&#8217; views on Govt 2.0 by Terrence Wood</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2008/07/06/citizens-views-on-govt-20/#comment-521</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrence Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I think the fuelled4schools bebo presence is a good initiative, and I'm surprised that you consider it gratuitous and ill-conceived. If there is one place online to engage with today's youth, then bebo is it. As I see it the only risk to public sector reputation is abandoning the page and not moderating the comments. As a side note: I'll wager that the bebo site cost less than many kick off meetings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I think the fuelled4schools bebo presence is a good initiative, and I&#8217;m surprised that you consider it gratuitous and ill-conceived. If there is one place online to engage with today&#8217;s youth, then bebo is it. As I see it the only risk to public sector reputation is abandoning the page and not moderating the comments. As a side note: I&#8217;ll wager that the bebo site cost less than many kick off meetings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The (real) cost of social media by How Much is Your Time Worth? &#171; Everyonelovesavegangirl&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/10/07/cost-of-social-media/#comment-520</link>
		<dc:creator>How Much is Your Time Worth? &#171; Everyonelovesavegangirl&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Since I began my graduate work at Georgetown, I have been inundated with Web 2.0 and its effects on everyday life. I have even developed a strategic communications plan for a non-profit and suggested that they embrace social media. But at what cost? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Since I began my graduate work at Georgetown, I have been inundated with Web 2.0 and its effects on everyday life. I have even developed a strategic communications plan for a non-profit and suggested that they embrace social media. But at what cost? [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens&#8217; views on Govt 2.0 by Jason Ryan</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2008/07/06/citizens-views-on-govt-20/#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Sam: your points are well made.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My comment about being &lt;q&gt;bleeding edge&lt;/q&gt; was a traditional bureaucrats concern regarding prudent investment of taxpayer dollars, so I would elaborate by adding that I am all for innovation, as long as there &lt;em&gt;is no unjustified cost in capital or reputation&lt;/em&gt;. Risk? I am all for some of that...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think you capture the same point where you say:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Agencies need to experiment with innovation on a small scale and replicate success on a larger scale. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sam: your points are well made.</p>
<p>My comment about being <q>bleeding edge</q> was a traditional bureaucrats concern regarding prudent investment of taxpayer dollars, so I would elaborate by adding that I am all for innovation, as long as there <em>is no unjustified cost in capital or reputation</em>. Risk? I am all for some of that&#8230;</p>
<p>I think you capture the same point where you say:</p>
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<p>Agencies need to experiment with innovation on a small scale and replicate success on a larger scale. </p>
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		<title>Comment on Citizens&#8217; views on Govt 2.0 by Sam Farrow</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2008/07/06/citizens-views-on-govt-20/#comment-518</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post Jason. Preventing staff from social media engagement is sufficiently stupid to assume it is a knee jerk aberration which will be corrected quickly in the New Zealand Public Sector. 

However, I completely agree that the greatest value in social media for the public sector is in an internal application, and in fact if social media is applied externally first it is likely to damage the reputation of an organisation, not enhance it, as social media will open up the traditional siloed hierarchical structure, &lt;i&gt;the dark satanic mills&lt;/i&gt;, for all to see.  However, if social media is applied internally first to increase organisational cohesion, engagement and agility its application to external communications will be a natural next step. 

However, I disagree government shouldn’t be bleeding edge or startlingly innovative in this space and this relates to your point about being able to &lt;i&gt;adapt sufficiently nimbly&lt;/i&gt; to changes in social interaction brought about by the adoption of social media by the general public.  The only way an organisation can practise the use of social media and derive benefits internally and externally for doing so is through the practise of social media.  

Social media competence is reason enough to justify social media innovation.  In other words, to my mind, a sufficient argument from the business to warrant investment in public time and money in the implementation of social media services and applications is for the organisation to gain experience in the implementation of social media services and applications, which I will caveat with two things. 

&lt;b&gt;No one knows the eventual outcomes&lt;/b&gt;
Social media is a revolution in how we all communicate as individuals with each other and the organisations above us and as such it is very complex and complicated.  If I could predict successful systems that produce high value outcomes in this space, I would be a Web 2.0 billionaire, which sadly I am not.  This means an organisation’s activities in this area will sometimes succeed and sometimes fail, so don’t bet the farm.  Agencies need to experiment with innovation on a small scale and replicate success on a larger scale. 

&lt;b&gt;Learn the lessons and share them&lt;/b&gt;
Public sector organisations and agencies should have a platform in which lessons of both success and failure can be shared with others which necessitates and inter agency framework with agreed and congruent metrics.  This body of knowledge needs to be constructed specifically for the New Zealand Public Sector; I appreciate the Canadian experience you link to but New Zealanders and subsequently New Zealand organisations are different and that difference means we are going to have to learn these lessons ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post Jason. Preventing staff from social media engagement is sufficiently stupid to assume it is a knee jerk aberration which will be corrected quickly in the New Zealand Public Sector. </p>
<p>However, I completely agree that the greatest value in social media for the public sector is in an internal application, and in fact if social media is applied externally first it is likely to damage the reputation of an organisation, not enhance it, as social media will open up the traditional siloed hierarchical structure, <i>the dark satanic mills</i>, for all to see.  However, if social media is applied internally first to increase organisational cohesion, engagement and agility its application to external communications will be a natural next step. </p>
<p>However, I disagree government shouldn’t be bleeding edge or startlingly innovative in this space and this relates to your point about being able to <i>adapt sufficiently nimbly</i> to changes in social interaction brought about by the adoption of social media by the general public.  The only way an organisation can practise the use of social media and derive benefits internally and externally for doing so is through the practise of social media.  </p>
<p>Social media competence is reason enough to justify social media innovation.  In other words, to my mind, a sufficient argument from the business to warrant investment in public time and money in the implementation of social media services and applications is for the organisation to gain experience in the implementation of social media services and applications, which I will caveat with two things. </p>
<p><b>No one knows the eventual outcomes</b><br />
Social media is a revolution in how we all communicate as individuals with each other and the organisations above us and as such it is very complex and complicated.  If I could predict successful systems that produce high value outcomes in this space, I would be a Web 2.0 billionaire, which sadly I am not.  This means an organisation’s activities in this area will sometimes succeed and sometimes fail, so don’t bet the farm.  Agencies need to experiment with innovation on a small scale and replicate success on a larger scale. </p>
<p><b>Learn the lessons and share them</b><br />
Public sector organisations and agencies should have a platform in which lessons of both success and failure can be shared with others which necessitates and inter agency framework with agreed and congruent metrics.  This body of knowledge needs to be constructed specifically for the New Zealand Public Sector; I appreciate the Canadian experience you link to but New Zealanders and subsequently New Zealand organisations are different and that difference means we are going to have to learn these lessons ourselves.</p>
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