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		<title>By: Jason Ryan</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is it right that the level of trust I have in a reply from govt, is dictated by the channel I use to communicate with government?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Absolutely not, Mike. These current distinctions border on the bizarre. And yes, it does all relate back to trusted state services.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As the technology matures and becomes a seamless part of the business (like email and, I would argue, websites) our increased understanding of the media, and the proportionate decrease in fear and suspicion, should see disclaimers evaporate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is it right that the level of trust I have in a reply from govt, is dictated by the channel I use to communicate with government?</p>
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<p>Absolutely not, Mike. These current distinctions border on the bizarre. And yes, it does all relate back to trusted state services.</p>
<p>As the technology matures and becomes a seamless part of the business (like email and, I would argue, websites) our increased understanding of the media, and the proportionate decrease in fear and suspicion, should see disclaimers evaporate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the wider question related to how to maintain/increase trust in government, as public servants use an increasingly diverse set of communication channels (technology).

Perhaps we need to distinguish between "1-to-many" communications and "1-to-1".

 Is it right that the level of trust I have in a reply from govt, is dictated by the channel I use to communicate with government?  Agencies don't typically disclaim letters, or call centre communications, but they are standardly included on emails.  Will the same occur for VOIP, IM, Blackberry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the wider question related to how to maintain/increase trust in government, as public servants use an increasingly diverse set of communication channels (technology).</p>
<p>Perhaps we need to distinguish between &#8220;1-to-many&#8221; communications and &#8220;1-to-1&#8243;.</p>
<p> Is it right that the level of trust I have in a reply from govt, is dictated by the channel I use to communicate with government?  Agencies don&#8217;t typically disclaim letters, or call centre communications, but they are standardly included on emails.  Will the same occur for VOIP, IM, Blackberry?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ryan</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Anthony: yes, I agree to a point. For a blog, you would really only need to disclaim the comments of visitors &#8211; but even then it could be a much weaker disclaimer than most agencies currently post to their corporate sites. For wikis, you could disclaim edits &lt;em&gt;up until such time&lt;/em&gt; as they are corrected...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony: yes, I agree to a point. For a blog, you would really only need to disclaim the comments of visitors &ndash; but even then it could be a much weaker disclaimer than most agencies currently post to their corporate sites. For wikis, you could disclaim edits <em>up until such time</em> as they are corrected&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn't you need to break "social media" down further? Its a pretty broad catch-all when considering the need for disclaimers. For example, hosting  a govt blog, where you'd be more inclined to stand by everything there and use only a minimal disclaimer, is a different situation to hosting a wiki, were you'd need something more robust ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you need to break &#8220;social media&#8221; down further? Its a pretty broad catch-all when considering the need for disclaimers. For example, hosting  a govt blog, where you&#8217;d be more inclined to stand by everything there and use only a minimal disclaimer, is a different situation to hosting a wiki, were you&#8217;d need something more robust &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ryan</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Sam: there are two distinct (but related) points here:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;Social media. The content should not be disclaimed, even if it is not subject to rigorous peer review. It is no different to a public servant speaking at a conference &#8211; you don't just waffle along, you communicate ideas consistent with your policy positions: that is what you are paid to do.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Regular sites. Given that Annual Reports, &lt;acronym title="Statements of Intent"&gt;SOI's&lt;/acronym&gt; and IR3's are published there, I can't see why that content is being disclaimed either, given that it &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; been extensively vetted.&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Re. publishing to a blog, for the public sector it is the government namespace, so you had better get it right (see above).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sam: there are two distinct (but related) points here:</p>
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<li>Social media. The content should not be disclaimed, even if it is not subject to rigorous peer review. It is no different to a public servant speaking at a conference &ndash; you don&#8217;t just waffle along, you communicate ideas consistent with your policy positions: that is what you are paid to do.</li>
<li>Regular sites. Given that Annual Reports, <acronym title="Statements of Intent">SOI&#8217;s</acronym> and IR3&#8217;s are published there, I can&#8217;t see why that content is being disclaimed either, given that it <em>has</em> been extensively vetted.</li>
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<p>Re. publishing to a blog, for the public sector it is the government namespace, so you had better get it right (see above).</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Farrow</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Farrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Che says part of this question one of process: If content destined for a blog is put through the same levels of peer review and editing as content for a Public Sector Statement of Intent or similar publication then it should be able to be relied upon in the same way.

But If the blog content is reviewed to the same level as say: communication from your organisations call centre, then some kind of  disclaimer is probably in order (using Che's example imagine live broadcasts of IRD call centre conversations).

There is a  releated question surrounding liability for "publishing" on a blog, and keenly debated in NZ media in relation to liability for defamation.  I would favour the &lt;a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4261360a28.html" title="Wikipedia wins landmark lawsuit" rel="nofollow"&gt;French approach&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Che says part of this question one of process: If content destined for a blog is put through the same levels of peer review and editing as content for a Public Sector Statement of Intent or similar publication then it should be able to be relied upon in the same way.</p>
<p>But If the blog content is reviewed to the same level as say: communication from your organisations call centre, then some kind of  disclaimer is probably in order (using Che&#8217;s example imagine live broadcasts of IRD call centre conversations).</p>
<p>There is a  releated question surrounding liability for &#8220;publishing&#8221; on a blog, and keenly debated in NZ media in relation to liability for defamation.  I would favour the <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/4261360a28.html" title="Wikipedia wins landmark lawsuit" rel="nofollow">French approach</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ryan</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Natalie. Yes, social media are time-bound and readers of old posts/edits will need to take that into account, but I don't think that lets public servants off the accountability hook &#8212; perhaps I am just applying a particularly harsh standard...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Natalie. Yes, social media are time-bound and readers of old posts/edits will need to take that into account, but I don&#8217;t think that lets public servants off the accountability hook &mdash; perhaps I am just applying a particularly harsh standard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Ferguson</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have thoughts blogs, by their nature have an inbuilt disclaimer, because they are so time based and much less formal.

Unless someone specifically points to a factual reference, I would base all information on a blog as the thoughts of the person writing it. This doesn't exempt you from everything - you are still accountable if at that time you didn't actually think the things you said you thought - and you will be punished by your public if you didn't!!! But it does mean that no one can say 10 years down the track 'But you said it on your blog, so that's legally binding'.

I think you're right, we need to stop trying to turn new media into old media!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thoughts blogs, by their nature have an inbuilt disclaimer, because they are so time based and much less formal.</p>
<p>Unless someone specifically points to a factual reference, I would base all information on a blog as the thoughts of the person writing it. This doesn&#8217;t exempt you from everything - you are still accountable if at that time you didn&#8217;t actually think the things you said you thought - and you will be punished by your public if you didn&#8217;t!!! But it does mean that no one can say 10 years down the track &#8216;But you said it on your blog, so that&#8217;s legally binding&#8217;.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right, we need to stop trying to turn new media into old media!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Russell</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This phenomenon is not restricted to the online world, I hear many accounts of phone-calls to government departments to different individuals that supply directly contradictory advice to the public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Examples I have heard of include IRD and immigration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is more indicative of a lack of accountability for the advice the departments give rather than overactive legal eagles, although the historic view of the web as an adjunct to 'real' communication could play a part.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In todays world we should surely be able to rely on advice given by our government departments, sure there are limits, but the publishing of advice on the web should support consistency of advice to citizens.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The lack of accountability of advice that seems to exist in places, seems more akin to a corupt society than the NZ that we aspire to be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This phenomenon is not restricted to the online world, I hear many accounts of phone-calls to government departments to different individuals that supply directly contradictory advice to the public.</p>
<p>Examples I have heard of include IRD and immigration.</p>
<p>This is more indicative of a lack of accountability for the advice the departments give rather than overactive legal eagles, although the historic view of the web as an adjunct to &#8216;real&#8217; communication could play a part.</p>
<p>In todays world we should surely be able to rely on advice given by our government departments, sure there are limits, but the publishing of advice on the web should support consistency of advice to citizens.</p>
<p>The lack of accountability of advice that seems to exist in places, seems more akin to a corupt society than the NZ that we aspire to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Ryan</title>
		<link>http://psnetwork.org.nz/blog/2007/11/11/social-media-disclaimers/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for commenting, Iris.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don't have firm views about private sector blogs &#8211; that is the prerogative of the individual or their organization. For  the public sector, however, I can't see any benefit of disclaiming content on social media sites.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Che: the problem (well, one of them) is that &lt;em&gt;everything&lt;/em&gt; on the site(s) is disclaimed &#8211; including the IR3, so the public aren't given a choice...&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting, Iris.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have firm views about private sector blogs &ndash; that is the prerogative of the individual or their organization. For  the public sector, however, I can&#8217;t see any benefit of disclaiming content on social media sites.</p>
<p>Che: the problem (well, one of them) is that <em>everything</em> on the site(s) is disclaimed &ndash; including the IR3, so the public aren&#8217;t given a choice&#8230;</p>
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